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bobs25 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Please provide references so I may research the "facts" for myself, Many of the posting stated to "Do your research" so I am going to do just that.
By the way, in my research, I discovered a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to Benjamin Rush the letter clearly states "I am a Christian." Maybe the other founders were deist, but by his own confession, Thomas Jefferson was a "Christian"
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains taken to bring it to light."
George Washington
anoreo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I don't really know if I'm interpreting this right, but I agree that Enlightenment ideas such as Locke's Life Liberty and Property and Voltaire's Freedom of Speech did make an appearance, but I would not say that Enlightenment base would make the foundation of the US indirectly Christian. It's equally fair to say that the Enlightenment had as much to do with questioning Christianity as it did with furthering it.
Eikinkloster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"On this ground, I gave supporting evidence where you failed to do so. That being said, do you still believe that I am wrong?"
I had actually lost the thread of my own argument. My first comment notes that the Enlightenment IS a product of the Judeo-Christian civilization. You countered it with the disregard some or all of the founding fathers expressed towards Christianity. Then I forgot what I had written and noticed that the Enlightenment is a lot more evident in the French Revolution.
anoreo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
There is a difference between having hatred for another's opinion and having passion for one's own. On this ground, I gave supporting evidence where you failed to do so. That being said, do you still believe that I am wrong?
Eikinkloster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"You seem to have biased facts"
Yes, you give me that same impression. I guess that's what usually happens when I disagree with someone: We assume he is biased, otherwise he would naturally agree with us.
Of course sometimes we have just misanalysed the unbiased facts. But I'd assume that to be more rare with Liberals, since Liberals have such a hatred of opposing opinions that not calling it bias simply disables the word to be used in any other context.
anoreo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You seem to have biased facts. Perhaps unbiased research will not open your eyes to just the lies you have been told politically, but also those you have been told in church. Or just read the Bible and see if that is the God that really deserves your respect and worship. And by Bible I mean the Old Testament too, if not more so.
anoreo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." Treaty of Tripoli
JEFFtheATHEIST (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
LiberalViewer,
Thank you for your work!
Eikinkloster (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Yes, it makes sense now. The American Revolution happened in the same cultural context of the French Revolution. For some reason though, the French were more open about their Englightenment context.
ninjanivek (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Most of them were infact diests. Do your research on the founding fathers and you will infact find that some of them had a rather nasty contempt for religion. Thomas Jefferson, a diest, himself wrote a letter to william short saying "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous." |
